Speaker 1: 0:03

Welcome to the Options Trading Podcast. We're on a mission to empower individual investors with the knowledge they need. Join us as we break down complex topics into simple, step-by-step guidance for conservative options trading.

Speaker 2: 0:16

Okay, let's dive right in. So picture this you totally nailed the stock direction, Bought a call, stock went up, so where's the profit? Right, or maybe you grabbed a, put the stock tank. You're feeling pretty good, Except well, your option's just not playing ball. It's frustrating, isn't it?

Speaker 3: 0:33

Oh, definitely, and you know, it's amazing how common that feeling is. That wait, I got the main idea right. Why isn't this trade working?

Speaker 2: 0:41

Exactly. It really makes you question what's actually moving these option prices Totally so. Today we're really digging into why your option can be so stubborn, even when the stock does exactly what you thought it would. We've got some great material here that gets right to the heart of these well, sometimes maddening parts of option pricing. Think of this as, like your backstage pass. We want to understand the hidden gears turning behind the scenes so you can trade smarter and hopefully have fewer of those head scratching moments.

Speaker 3: 1:11

Yeah, the goal really is to equip you with that deeper knowledge to see past just the stock price.

Speaker 2: 1:16

Because options aren't just simple up or down bets, are they?

Speaker 3: 1:20

Not at all. If you sort of step back, you see there are these complex things. Really they have their own rules, their own sensitivities. You really have to pay attention.

Speaker 2: 1:28

All right, so let's tackle the first big reason. Our sources point to time decay. You know theta. What is this really, and why does it feel like it's always working against option buyers?

Speaker 3: 1:38

Well, think of time, decay theta like evaporation, or maybe a melting ice cube. As that option gets closer and closer to its expiration date, its value just kind of shrinks, simply because there's less time left for the big move you're hoping for to actually happen. It's like buying fruit it's perishable. Its value goes down as it gets closer to expiring, even if the price of, say, the underlying stock stays exactly the same.

Speaker 2: 2:06

That makes sense. So even if the stock price is just treading water, if that expiration date is looming, that clock is just ticking away, eating at my options value.

Speaker 3: 2:15

Precisely.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Our sources give this example right Buying a call only five days left, stock goes up maybe two bucks. Feels good.

Speaker 3: 2:21

Yeah, seems like a win.

Speaker 2: 2:22

But the option still loses money because of that time running out.

Speaker 3: 2:26

Exactly, and the really key thing to grasp here is that this erosion, this decay, it actually speeds up the closer you get to expiration Right. Those really short term options, the weeklies or ones with just a few days left, they feel this much, much faster. Even a day or two can make a huge difference to their price. You know, a deeper thought might be trying to structure trades, maybe after volatility has been low for a bit, or maybe theta isn't the biggest force compared to a potential move.

Speaker 2: 2:54

That's interesting, so okay for us listening, trying to learn from this. What's the practical advice on time decay?

Speaker 3: 3:01

Well, the material we really suggest giving your trades enough time, don't rush them. Maybe aim for options with, say, 30 to 60 days left Gives you a bit of a buffer against that constant ticking clock. But if you do go for those shorter ones, just understand the stock needs to move decisively and fast. Got it? Makes sense.

Speaker 2: 3:21

Okay, reason number two for why our seemingly winning stock bet might turn into a losing option trade a drop in implied volatility, vega. Now this one feels a bit more abstract.

Speaker 3: 3:34

Yeah, it can be.

Speaker 2: 3:35

Can you break down implied volatility IV and how a drop in it can hurt, even if the stock does what I wanted, sure.

Speaker 3: 3:42

So implied volatility or IV. It's basically the market's collective expectation. It's a guess about how much a stock's price is likely to swing around in the future.

Speaker 2: 3:50

Okay, the market's prediction of movement.

Speaker 3: 3:52

Right, and if the market expects big swings, higher volatility, then option prices go up because there's a sort of perceived higher chance the option could end up making money.

Speaker 2: 4:01

Makes sense, Higher chance of a big move higher premium Exactly.

Speaker 3: 4:10

But here's the thing those expectations can change sometimes really fast, especially around big events like earnings reports.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Ah, the famous volatility crush.

Speaker 3: 4:14

That's the one.

Speaker 2: 4:14

Our sources talk about this how EV often balloons before these big announcements and then just collapses afterward, almost no matter if the news was good or bad for the stock price itself.

Speaker 3: 4:24

Precisely so you might buy a call before earnings. Right, You're expecting a jump. The company reports great numbers. The stock does go up Should be good news for your call. You'd think so. But if that implied, volatility just tanks after the announcement because, well, the uncertainty is gone. Now the value of your option can actually drop.

Speaker 2: 4:45

Wow.

Speaker 3: 4:46

Yeah, it can completely offset the gains you got from the stock moving up.

Speaker 2: 4:50

So the market already baked in the possibility of a big move, and once that possibility either doesn't happen dramatically enough or just the uncertainty is resolved, that extra premium just evaporates.

Speaker 3: 5:02

Oof Gone.

Speaker 2: 5:03

Okay, that's a tough one. So what can you do? How do you protect yourself from that IV crush?

Speaker 3: 5:09

Well, the main insight here is probably caution. Be careful buying options right before those big known events, unless you have really strong conviction, the stock is going to move way more than the markets already expect.

Speaker 2: 5:19

Right more than the implied move.

Speaker 3: 5:21

Exactly, and the material also flips it around. Suggests maybe thinking about selling options when IV is super high, that you'd actually benefit from that volatility coming back down.

Speaker 2: 5:30

Huh, that's a different way to play it entirely. Okay, interesting, let's move on. Reason three the move just wasn't big enough. The stock moved your way, but it was too small. Seems simple, but there's more to it than just the dollar amount.

Speaker 3: 5:44

Absolutely See. An options price has, well, two main components. There's intrinsic value and extrinsic value. Intrinsic value is the sort of real tangible in the money amount. For a call, it's how much the stock price is above the strike price. For a put, it's the other way around.

Speaker 2: 5:59

Got it, the actual profit baked in right now.

Speaker 3: 6:02

Pretty much Extrinsic value is everything else. Mostly it's about the time left until expiration, and that implied volatility we just talked about Right. So if the stock moves your way, but not enough to get your option deep in the money, or maybe it just barely gets in the money, that gain in intrinsic value might get totally canceled out by the extrinsic value just melting away.

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Speaker 2: 7:12

And this is where the break-even point becomes so critical, isn't it? Our sources really hammer this Definitely For a call, it's your strike price plus what you paid for the option the premium. If the stock doesn't get above that level, you're still losing money. The example they use buying $100 strike call for $3, the stock starts at $98, goes up to $101. You were right, it went up.

Speaker 3: 7:35

Yeah, directionally correct.

Speaker 2: 7:36

But your break even is $103. So $101 isn't good enough, still down money.

Speaker 3: 7:41

Exactly so. Even though the stock moved up, the option was out of the money for a lot of its life. Maybe just briefly touched being in the money, but by then time decay and maybe lower volatility have already chipped away at any potential profit.

Speaker 2: 7:55

So the big lesson know your break-even price, like really know it, before you trade.

Speaker 3: 8:02

Absolutely critical.

Speaker 2: 8:03

And our sources suggest maybe for smaller moves. Look at in the money option.

Speaker 3: 8:07

That's a good point. They make, yeah, itm options. They cost more upfront, sure, but they already have intrinsic value, so they tend to be a bit less sensitive to that extrinsic value just evaporating because of time or volatility shifts.

Speaker 2: 8:19

Okay, that makes sense. Let's hit reason number four. The option was just too far out of the money. We're talking deep OTM. These are the cheap ones, right? The lottery tickets.

Speaker 3: 8:29

Often, yeah, they look tempting because the price is low.

Speaker 2: 8:31

So what's the problem if the stock makes a small move? My way.

Speaker 3: 8:36

Well, these out-of-the-money or OTM options. They start with zero intrinsic value, None.

Speaker 2: 8:42

Right, because the stock isn't there yet.

Speaker 3: 8:43

Exactly. Their entire price is based purely on the possibility, the hope that the stock will make a really big move before the option expires.

Speaker 2: 8:52

So they need a home run.

Speaker 3: 8:53

Pretty much. They need a significant, often fast, price surge to even start looking profitable. A small move, a gradual climb in the right direction. Usually that's just not enough to overcome being so far away from the money initially. Plus, they get hit hard by time decay and volatility changes too.

Speaker 2: 9:10

The example used is buying a $120 call when the stock's at $110. Then the stock climbs to $113. $3 move up. That's positive. Sounds okay on the surface.

Speaker 3: 9:21

But the option is still $7 away from being in the money.

Speaker 2: 9:24

Exactly. The chance of that option actually gaining much value from just a $3 stock move is really low. It might not go up in price at all, or it could even go down. Yeah, the sources point that out. It could actually decrease because time value is still ticking away. Or maybe IV dropped a bit.

Speaker 3: 9:38

Wow. So those cheap deep OTM options really are high stakes gambles, Very much so. The advice seems to be avoid them unless you really are treating it like a lottery ticket expecting a massive move. Otherwise, maybe look at options closer to the money, slightly OTM, or even at the money for more moderate expectations.

Speaker 2: 10:00

That's the key takeaway. You need to align the strike price you choose with how big a move you realistically think the stock will make.

Speaker 3: 10:06

Okay, reason five is one of those do all moments. Yeah, the stock moved, but after your option expired, we've all been there Timing just slightly.

Speaker 2: 10:14

Oh yeah, that one stings. Options have a shelf life right, a very specific expiration date.

Speaker 3: 10:19

If the move you predicted happens the day after it expires, well too bad. The option's worthless. It doesn't matter how right you were about the direction. Eventually it's all about timing.

Speaker 2: 10:29

The example in the material having a weekly put expires Friday, then Monday morning bam the stock tanks.

Speaker 3: 10:36

Yeah, that perfectly captures that missed opportunity feeling.

Speaker 2: 10:40

It really highlights how crucial it is to give your trade enough time, doesn't it?

Speaker 3: 10:44

Absolutely Short term options. They offer more leverage, which is tempting, but, man, they demand precision timing. So, unless you're scalping or trading a specific event with a known deadline, yeah, unless you're doing something very specific and short term, it's generally smarter to choose options with at least a few weeks, maybe even a month or two, until expiration.

Speaker 2: 11:04

Gives your idea some breathing room.

Speaker 3: 11:05

Exactly A buffer for your thesis to actually play out.

Speaker 2: 11:08

Lesson learned Give it time. Okay, Now let's get into something a bit more subtle. Maybe Poor fill or wide bid-ask spreads. Reason number six what's going on here?

Speaker 3: 11:18

So for options that don't trade a lot, they're illiquid.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 11:22

There can be a pretty big gap between the highest price someone is willing to pay that's the bid Right and the lowest price someone is willing to sell it for the ask. That gap is the bid ask spread. Okay Now, if you just hit buy market, you usually pay the higher ask price and when you sell you usually get the lower bid price. So a widespread means you're starting off at a disadvantage right away. It costs you money just to get in or out.

Speaker 2: 11:47

Ah. So even if the stock moves my way and my option should be worth more, if the specific option I'm holding is really illiquid with a wide spread, the price I can actually sell it for the bid might not have caught up enough.

Speaker 3: 12:01

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Or it might not even cover that initial spread cost. The example they gave buy at $1.50, but the market was $1.20, bid $1.80, ask. That's a huge spread.

Speaker 3: 12:11

Yeah, 60 cents.

Speaker 2: 12:12

Then the stock moves well, but the bid only goes up to $1.25. You're still way down because of that spread friction.

Speaker 3: 12:23

Precisely Low liquidity is the culprit. Not enough buyers and sellers actively trading that specific strike and date. The gap widens and you can get this situation where maybe, looking at the midpoint price, it looks like you have a profit, but you can't actually get that profit because the bid price you'd receive is too low.

Speaker 2: 12:35

So, strategically, what do we do? Our sources say focus on liquid options.

Speaker 3: 12:39

Yes, liquid options are key. Look for tight bid, ask spreads, high trading volume, lots of open interest.

Speaker 2: 12:49

And use limit orders, not market orders.

Speaker 3: 12:51

Yeah, definitely use limit orders. Try to get filled between the bid and ask if you can or at least specify the price you're willing to pay or accept.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Okay, and stick closer to the money.

Speaker 3: 13:01

Generally, yeah. Options closer to the current stock price tend to be much more liquid than those way out of the money ones.

Speaker 2: 13:07

Makes sense. Liquidity is your friend.

Speaker 3: 13:09

It really is. Minimizes those hidden costs, makes getting in and out smoother and, hopefully, at better prices.

Speaker 1: 13:16

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Speaker 2: 13:50

All right, let's tackle number seven. This brings in one of the famous Greeks, Delta. If your delta is too low, the sources say even a good stock move won't help your option much. Explain delta in simple terms.

Speaker 3: 14:02

Okay, delta, think of it as a sensitivity measure. It tells you roughly how much your options price is expected to change for every $1 change in the underlying stock price.

Speaker 2: 14:13

Okay. Sensitivity to stock price.

Speaker 3: 14:15

Right. So an option with a delta near 1.0, like a deep in the money call, should theoretically move almost dollar for dollar with the stock.

Speaker 2: 14:23

And a low delta.

Speaker 3: 14:24

A delta close to zero means the options price barely reacts to the stock price moving.

Speaker 2: 14:29

So if I buy some super far out of the money call, maybe its delta is only 0.10.

Speaker 3: 14:34

Right Ten cents.

Speaker 2: 14:35

Even if the stock jumps a whole dollar, my option might only go up by about ten cents. That's not much leverage.

Speaker 3: 14:40

Exactly. That's probably not what most people are looking for when they buy options.

Speaker 2: 14:43

The example they use is Stark a $150 call on $120 stock. Delta's tiny maybe 0.08. Stock goes up $2.

Speaker 3: 14:52

Yeah, decent move.

Speaker 2: 14:53

But the option only gains maybe 8 to 16 cents, barely noticeable.

Speaker 3: 14:56

Precisely those far OTM options just have very low deltas. They need huge stock moves to really start gaining value significantly. So if you're only expecting a small or moderate move, A low delta option won't cut it. Right, it just won't give you much price appreciation.

Speaker 2: 15:13

So the guidance seems to be aim for options with a delta maybe above 0.50, if you want your option to track the stock more closely.

Speaker 3: 15:20

Generally yes, if that's your goal. Lower delta options below 0.50, they're really more for speculating on those really big explosive moves.

Speaker 2: 15:29

Okay. So delta tells you the bang for your buck on a stock move. That's a good way to put it yeah. Reason eight this feels related to the volatility crash, but slightly different Buying before an expected move, maybe earnings again, and the move just fizzles, even if you got the direction right.

Speaker 3: 15:46

Yeah, it's closely related, like we touched on with Hy-Vee, option prices often build in the anticipation of big moves around known events. The hype tax Kind of yeah, yeah, higher, free, higher premiums leading up to it. Now, if the event happens and the actual stock move is kind of less dramatic than everyone was pricing in, and the. Hy-vee drops Exactly that implied volatility collapses, and that drop can make your option lose value. Even if the stock actually went the way you thought, it would Just not enough.

Speaker 2: 16:13

So you buy a call before earnings. You're right, earnings are good, stock goes up.

Speaker 3: 16:17

Sounds great so far.

Speaker 2: 16:18

But maybe the option market was pricing in, say, a 10% move and the stock only goes up 3%. Right, your call could actually lose value because that built-in volatility premium just deflated Our sources. Had that great line. You need to be more right than expected.

Speaker 3: 16:35

That really sums it up perfectly. It's not enough just to get the direction right. Yeah, the magnitude of the move has to beat what the market was already anticipating, which was reflected in that high IV.

Speaker 2: 16:46

So the advice be aware of the expected move.

Speaker 3: 16:51

Definitely Check the expected move often shown on option chains and just understand that buying options right before big news is kind of a double-edged sword because of this dynamic.

Speaker 2: 17:00

Requires understanding market expectations and that potential IV crush.

Speaker 3: 17:04

Yeah, it adds another layer you need to consider beyond just the stock direction.

Speaker 2: 17:08

Okay, reason nine brings us back to the Greeks. But sort of their combined effect. The sources say even if the stock moves your way, theta time decay and Vega volatility sensitivity can both be working against you. How do they team up?

Speaker 3: 17:24

Right, we talked about them individually, but think about how they interact. Delta might be positive, the stock's moving your way, pushing the option price up, but at the same time FEDA is always there chipping away at the time value, especially as expiration gets closer and vega means the price is sensitive to IV changes. So if IV is also dropping like after an earnings event Uh-oh yeah. Even dropping like after an earnings event, uh-oh yeah. Even if Delta is trying to help you, that accelerating time decay plus the drop in implied volatility can completely overwhelm the positive Delta effect, yeah, you can end up losing money overall.

Speaker 2: 17:56

So I could have the stock going up, but I bought a short-dated option right before news, when IV was high.

Speaker 3: 18:01

A classic setup for this problem.

Speaker 2: 18:02

Now IV is falling and time is ticking faster. Yeah, both are pushing the option price down, maybe even harder than Delta is pushing it up.

Speaker 3: 18:09

Exactly, it's this constant battle between the Greeks.

Speaker 2: 18:12

The material advises checking Delta, theta and Vega before you trade. Be wary if one negative Greek looks like it could dominate like high Theta on a low Delta option.

Speaker 3: 18:22

That's the idea Get a more holistic picture of the sensitivities. Yeah, try to avoid situations where the headwinds from Theta and Vega look like they might just swamp any potential tailwind from Delta, given your outlook.

Speaker 2: 18:35

OK, makes sense. Finally, reason 10. This one feels like it's about discipline. You just didn't exit when the option was up, letting winners turn into losers.

Speaker 3: 18:42

Ah yes, trade management or lack thereof. Options, especially the shorter term ones or in high volatility situations, can swing wildly in price. A nice profit can appear and then disappear just as quickly. If you get greedy or just aren't watching closely or don't have a plan, time decay is relentless, especially near the end, and volatility can whip around.

Speaker 2: 19:02

The example they may have called goes from $1.50 up to $2.50. Looking good.

Speaker 3: 19:07

Yeah, nice gain.

Speaker 2: 19:08

But hold on hoping for more and then it drops back to $1 because time decay just crushed it in the last few days Painful.

Speaker 3: 19:15

Very painful and all too common. The material really stresses having a plan, have a profit target or maybe use a trailing stop loss to lock in some gains automatically.

Speaker 2: 19:27

Don't get greedy.

Speaker 3: 19:28

Basically, yes, Emotional discipline is huge in options. Often taking a solid, reasonable profit is much smarter than holding out for every last penny and risking giving it all back, especially with these decaying assets.

Speaker 2: 19:41

Wow, okay. So pulling it all together, the big message is it's actually pretty normal for an option trade to lose money, even if you were right about the stock's direction.

Speaker 3: 19:50

It happens all the time. It's this complex interplay, isn't it? Stock price time left market expectations of volatility. All those Greeks working together or against each other.

Speaker 2: 19:59

It's not just about being right. You have to be right fast enough.

Speaker 3: 20:02

Right and with the right amount of volatility priced in, or maybe volatility moving in your favor.

Speaker 2: 20:07

And the move has to be big enough to overcome all those other factors like time, decay and the initial cost.

Speaker 3: 20:13

Exactly. It's less about just being right on the stock and more about understanding the probability of the whole option trade working out, considering all these interconnected forces.

Speaker 2: 20:23

So connecting this back to you, the listener. It's about moving beyond just guessing stock direction.

Speaker 3: 20:29

Yeah, it's about getting more sophisticated understanding the mechanics, thinking not just where the stock might go, but when and by how much, and what the market already thinks might happen via IV.

Speaker 2: 20:40

Absolutely. So maybe before your next trade, run through a quick mental checklist.

Speaker 3: 20:44

Good idea.

Speaker 2: 20:45

Like do I really know my break-even? Am I aware of how theta vega delta might affect this specific option? Did I pick the right strike and expiration for what I expect? Have I thought about volatility and, crucially, what's my exit plan for profits and losses?

Speaker 3: 21:01

Those are exactly the right questions Asking. Those can seriously improve your odds and help you avoid that frustration when you call the stock right but the option doesn't follow.

Speaker 2: 21:09

Yeah, Look, no strategy guarantees profits. Right Options are tricky, but really understanding these principles gives you more power, helps you navigate the complexity and maybe cuts down on those nasty surprises. It's worth taking a moment just to consider how all these different forces are always interacting, always shaping the value of these really fascinating financial tools.

Speaker 3: 21:33

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